samedi 8 septembre 2007

Review of the new Toshiba Portege R500








Presentation

I have recently got the new ultra laptop by Toshiba, the Portege R500. I got it in Japan, and it is a non-standard version since its only a 1.06 Ghz processor, with no bluetooth, and no DVD writer. That way, it is the lightest 12" notebook available at under 1 kg (i.e. 2.2 pounds). It is even lighter than the 11"1 Asus U1F or the new Sony Vaio TZ!
As you can see in the pictures, it is also quite thin, at least as much as my former Asus U1F. It is also, of course, a bit bigger.
Compared to the U1, the packaging is quite scarce; you only got one battery (vs 2 for the Asus), no case...But, it only shows that Asus has really outdone itself with the packaging of the U1F.
In my opinion, the R500 is not as pretty as the U1, but it is of course, subjective. The biggest advantage of the R500 is that it does not have this glassy-style coating on the top, which, albeit very cute and styly, attracts fingerprints as much as honey attracts bears. The R500 is still a nice-looking machine.

Performances

This is where the R500 shines compared to the other ultras and to the U1F in particular. Indeed, more subnotebooks such as this one use a 4200 rpm hard drive, which tends to reduce performances a lot. In the R500, there is a 5400 rpm hard drive, and boy, what a difference it makes!
It boots more quickly (around one minute for linux), applications open up more quickly, transfers of files are quicker...
Even though the U1F and the R500 have the same processor, the R5OO just feels faster.
As to battery life, I have to admit that at first, I was a bit disappointed since with the Wireless on (no BT and no DVD drive), brightness set to 50% and while doing some light editing and web browsing, the battery lasts around 4 hours and 15 minutes under Linux. I guess it is a bit higher under Vista without Aero and the widgets.
Of course, more than 4 hours is a lot, but I was expecting more. However, one has to remember that this is only the so-called lightweight battery. Thus, I guess I will have to get the large battery when it is available if I want to be able to use it for one day of work without the need for the ac adpater.

The downside of having such a thin laptop and using a 5400 rpm HD is that the R500 tends to heat up rather quickly on the left-hand side (I guess where the hard drive is), but it remains ok. Consequently, the fan is almost always on, but is not too noisy. Still, in a quiet environment you definitely hear some noise.

On to the screen, which has received a lot of attention in different reviews. First, note that this is a mat screen and not a glossy one which means that it is easier to use outdoors, but that it is less appropriate for watching movies. Moreover, the lateral viewing angles are pretty limited, meaning that no more than 2 people can watch the screen at the same time; given the size of the screen however, I think it is ok all the same.
To conclude on the screen, I must say that it is not as bad as some people had it: I use my R500 a lot, and I have never had any problems with the screen yet. As I said, watching movies might be a bit difficult, but I have been able to watch a few without difficulties; the key lies in a good positionning of the screen.
I have not really experimented with the special "outdoor feature" of the screen since I am using Linux, and it does not work on Linux.
This is a great transition ta talk about Linux on the R500.


Linux

As I have just said I use Linux on my R500. Why Linux over Vista?
One great asset of Linux compared to Vista IMHO, is the more efficient use of RAM. Indeed, under Kubuntu Feisty, the starting memory usage is around 180 Mb, out of my 1000. With Firefox open (a few tabs and a few extensions), Thunderbird and emacs it rises to 310, and with a 760 pages pdf, to 360 Mb. It means that, indeed, under Linux, 512 Mb are quite enough for a reasonable use. Moreover, note that there are lighter desktops than KDE, and Firefox and Thunderbird are both memory hogs, which means that using Linux on old computers is really a good idea. With my R500, Linux is a lot faster than Vista.
Moreover, Vista is just XP with a new GUI (Aero) basically, and XP is quite an old OS. It does not stand the comparison with Linux. Even the 3D Aero is really laughable compared to the real 3D effects one can get with Compiz Fusion under Linux. So, even though

How does Linux fare on the R500? Quite well I must say. The beginning has been a bit rough, since I have tried many distros before finding the one that most satisfies my needs. I have tried Kubuntu Gutsy beta, Open SuSe 10.3 Beta, Fedora 7, Linux Mint 3.0 (I used this one on my U1F, but strangely, the installer crashed every time I tried to install Linux Mint on the R500...), Sabayon Linux 3.4e, PCLinuxOS2007...Each of these distros had something that I disliked, or didn't worked the way I wanted it to work. Sabayon was quite good, but it is Gentoo-based, and compiling from source is just tooooooooooo slow for my liking: I erased Sabayon when the install of Thunderbird took more than 30 minutes. Finally, I settled on Kubuntu Feisty 7.04 which does a good job at recognizing the hardware: the only things that do not work from scratch are the fingerprint reader, the outdoor button, and the SD card reader. I also have some issues with the brightness buttons that do work, but behave strangely. I don't really care about the fingerprint reader, the lack of SD card reader was a pain when I was in vacation, but it is not very important. I forgot to say that the little button on the left side of the R500 that allows to increase and decrease volume does not work from scratch, but I have been able to make it work thanks to xmodmap and xbindkeys...and some help!
This is THE weakness of Linux IMHO: it does a good job at recognizing most of your hardware, but when something does not work, it is a pain to make it work. I mean, even though I am not a Linux expert, I don't think I am an average computer user, and still, I have had some difficulties solving those problems. For instance, I haven't yet found how to make my SD card reader work. Of course, there is a lot of help available over the web, above all for ubuntu, but still, I think it remains a bit complicated for the average Joe (lot of command line involved...).
To conclude on Linux, I must add that I have a problem with my Vista partition, so that I can't access it now. But it's ok, I don't really care.
In any case, I am going to install Virtualbox and have a virtualized version of XP directly in Linux for stuff like Illustrator of Excel (yes I know there is Open Office, but the Spreadsheet does not handle VBA well, and I will need VBA next year) or chess programs. Maybe iTunes also.


Conclusion

Overall, I am happy with this purchase. The U1F was a lovely machine, and the R500 is a worthy replacement. The only thing I might want now is a SSD drive to improve performance once again.
But I will wait prices have gone down a bit, since I will need at least a 64 Gb one, which costs something like 900 dollars right now!


EDIT: A few additions

First, After using the Toshiba for watching movies during my holidays, I can confirm that the angles of vision are pretty limited. However, it is still possible for two persons to watch a movie end enjoy it.

Second, I have just discovered that I can adjust the brightness of the screen by hovering over the Knetworkmanager icon (under Kubuntu) and using vertical scrolling. Since I had some issues with the Fn+F6 and F7 keys, this is great discovery for me.

Third, I still have a few issues with my keyboard, since, when I type very fast, it tends to behave erratically. For instance, sometimes, if the insertion point of the mouse is not located where I am typing (that is, pretty much all the time) instead of typing where I want to, it types at the insertion point, which is generally located somewhere else in the text I am typying. This is very annoying, and I really don't understand why it is behaving this way.

145 commentaires:

Anonyme a dit…

Well you have much better than i-tunes in KDE, AmaroK. For the hardware support, did you tried MEPIS?

Frederic a dit…

Yes, you are right in saying that Amarok is good. Still, it is a bit ressources-intensive; however, my main problem with Amarok, Rhythmbox... is that I have never been able to import my itunes ratings.

As to MEPIX, I have neber tried this distro, but I am not sure it will be better than Kubuntu at recognizing my hardware. Maybe I will try it when I do another installation.

David Fox a dit…

The touchpad on my R500 is misbehaving. When the speed at which I am moving the cursor becomes fairly slow it starts creeping towards the upper left hand corner. Infuriating!

Frederic a dit…

Well, have you tried reinstalling lithe drivers?
Maybe, you could also try the touchpad under Linux. The easiest way would be to download a Ubuntu Live Cd, which would allow you to test linux without actually installing it.

Unfortunately, it is more likely that this is a hardware problem.

David Fox a dit…

Sorry, I meant to say that the problem only occurs under Linux. Under windows the mouse behaves normally.

mkfs a dit…

I had the same problem with the r500 touchpad as well. Updating the kernel and adding some synaptics-specific config to xorg.conf didn't help.

At some point I ran Qsynaptics to disable tapping and scrolling, and the buggy touchpad behavior disappeared. Re-enabling them did not cause it to come back, so Qsynaptics must be doing something to set the touchpad to a normal state.

Still working on the SD reader (TI PCIxx12 cardbus-based device), Fingerprint reader (Authentec 1610, no driver written yet), backlight toggle (keycode 178, same as "I button"), and Wifi (Intel 4965AGN, code from http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi loads but finds no networks).

BTW, R500 + E17 is a nice combo -- and the flash drive is blazing fast!

Frederic a dit…

Hi!

wow, you are both unlucky with your touchpad since I don't have this problem.
Maybe it is because I think I removed (or never installed) Qsynaptics.

I have one small issue though: when I wanted to watch a movie in the plane, I plugged my audio headset into my R500, but , much to my surprise, the sound was still coming out from the R500.
I guess there is some simple tuning that I must do, but I haven't found yet.

Unknown a dit…

I've just installed Ubuntu 7.04 on my brand new Portege R500 and can't get wifi to work -- it's not one of the options in network settings. What do I need to do in order to get this to work? I gather you had no problems with wi-fi. Thanks.

Frederic a dit…

Hi Eric!

I guess your problem stems from the fact that you have a newer Portege and as such, Wifi N. I only have wifi abg, and I use the 3945 Intel drivers, which are preinstalled in most distros. However, you need a newer driver, which, I guess, is not installed.
You might have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php

for help on wireless drivers issues.

Unknown a dit…

Wow, that was quick. Thanks -- I'm already looking ...

cristiano a dit…

Hi Eric,

I am facing the same problem with my new R500-106 Portegè.

Have you solved the problem?

Thanks,
Cristiano

mkfs a dit…

I got the wireless working fairly painlessly with the Intel drivers at
http://intellinuxwireless.org.

My notes/complaints, poor as they are, are here.

As for my above post on the touchpad, I recently ran KDE (after E17 broke on an apt-get upgrade) and saw that the weird touchpad problem is still there. It doesn't happen in Fluxbox or E17; it's a KDE issue.

Still haven't got the SD or the fingerprint reader (which SANE detects, btw) to work, but those are low-priority. And toshset refuses to turn off the backlight.

Anonyme a dit…

The touchpad issue on my R500 is driving me mad. I can barely type a few words without finding that letters are going in the wrong place. What can I do to turn off the insert function on the keypad?

Anonyme a dit…

Anonymous here again.

Touchfreeze appears to be the perfect programme to stop the keypad inserting but is not listed as being Vista compatible. I've had the problem twice just typing this short piece. Please help.

Frederic a dit…

I have some issues with the touchpad also, since if I type too fast, there always come a moment when something happens, such as an unvoluntary right-click, or the text which is typed at the insertion point and not where I would like...
This is indeed really annoying, but I have no idea what to do.
The problem arises on Linux KDE.

Frederic a dit…

Hello guys!

it seems that I can prevent the weird behavior of the touchpad if my right hand is not located too close to the touchpad when I type.
Basically, I have found that it is my right thumb which tends to brush slightly the touchpad as I write.
Hence, I must type with my right hand hovering slightly higher than normal over the keyboard.
I guess this is a question of sensitivity of the touchpad, so maybe this can be done with some fine tuning of the touchpad settings.

Anonyme a dit…

Anonymous here again.

I've managed to sort it out. In Vista go to Mouse Properties, then Advanced feature settings, then pointer speed and tapping settings (bottom right). Then unclick Enable Tapping under Tapping.

Anonyme a dit…

Hi, I read your post and is interested to know about replacing the sata hdd with a ssd. I have a r500 with the sata hdd and am thinking of replacing it with a sdd. So I called toshiba to check out the possiblility to pop in one bought from the market, but the support guys said he isn't sure if it works because of the "wiring". Has anyone any info about installing an off-the-shelf ssd in R500? TIA!

Unknown a dit…

Did you manage to get the "outdoor mode" of the screen working on linux eventually?

Anonyme a dit…

The fingerprint reader, external display (dual head, Xinerama, dvi) and the docking station is working.
Read on my blog:
http://loblog.wordpress.com/2007/10/29/opensuse-103-on-toshiba-portege-r500/

Anonyme a dit…

Hm, the link was cut off. Here is it again:
http://tinyurl.com/35ybrc

Btw, bluetooth is working now, too!

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mkfs a dit…

Thought I'd point out the latest version of toshset supports the transreflective display:
toshset -trmode off
to kill the backlight and
toshset -trmode on
to get the backlight back.

Note that the transreflective display works in direct sunlight (tried on an airplane window seat and on a sunroom couch) without having to turn the backlight off : very handy.

Anonyme a dit…

Re. the external audio (sound still coming out of the laptop speaker when headphones plugged in) - I had this problem a moment ago after upgrading to Hardy Heron and was puzzled for a moment, but solution is simple: run alsamixer, and un-mute (press M) the headphones.

(Note that even after this, with my external monitor speakers plugged into the headphone socket, sound continued to come out of the internal speaker (only) when the monitor wasn't in use as a display device - that's a monitor function, and dual-head works fine, but was a bit confusing!)

Anonyme a dit…

Hi Frederic. Nice review. I know you have had the machine for a while now but I thought I'd mention I had the same problem when typing fast. I fixed it by disabling the "tap" function on the keypad when there is a key input. It's basicaly the force of hitting the keys triggering the trackpad tap function.

I still can't get the SD card reader to work though, even under XP. Very annoying...

Unknown a dit…

Hello,
I found a solution under Linux for the annoying interference between key press and trackpad tapping. Using qsynaptics (little gui that allows configuration of the synaptics x11 driver), under the 'tapping' tab, choose 'enable delaying after key press' and choose the delay length. This will disable tapping functions when using the keyboard !
Under Vista/XP, the solution was given in one of the posts already.
Hope this helps !

Anonyme a dit…

I have installed PuppyLinux 4.1.6 (or 4.0.6 it seems) and it works beautifully.
This is an alpha release of 4.x.x as the stable versions of Puppy do not have the wireless drivers.

Problem with the earphones not turning off the main speaker; looking to get suspend to work - seems I need to unload the usb driver(s) - whatever that means.

Brian a dit…

I had the same problem with the headphone speaker thing on ubuntu; I have to manually mute the front rather than unmute the headphones. Apart from that it really is a beautiful little machine, well pleased with it.

Anonyme a dit…

The solution to your touchpad problem is running syndaemon

it inhibits the touchpad when you are typing

Anonyme a dit…

I am experiencing the same jumping issues with the touchpad. it is driving me insane! I have adjusted all the mouse settings, disbled tap setting and also adjusted sensitivity and it still occurs. GRRRH
Great review though, I agree with everything else.

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